Programming Language
ae6gn
Jul 17, 2004
8:22 PM |
Hi all
I am new to this forum, I have been programming in Visual Basic 6 and HTML for a while, and I have also done a little programming in C++, Java, Perl, Bash, JavaScript, and ASP.
My question is which languages would be best to continue with and which ones to add.
Brian
Age 15
A+ Certified |
J_Maxwell
Jul 17, 2004
9:41 PM |
Brian,
Welcome - you've found a great place to fellowship in the Lord, as well as asking and answering questions! There really are a lot of languages out there. The best thing is pick one or two - no more than three - and settle down in it, and get really good at it. Then, you're more of a "Master of one trade", as opposed to being "Jack of all trades". When you decide, make sure that you're not choosing a language that is going "out of style." I really like C# .NET and Delphi .NET - both are great languages. .NET languages are the best because of the power, simplicity, tools, interoperability, security that they have to offer. Go .NET - they'll last you for a long time.
Microsoft did a brilliant move: they release a free, fully-functional version of Visual Studio .NET, and SQL Server. I have the beta for C# and SQL Server, and am extremely impressed with the new features. Here is the link:
[HYPERLINK@lab.msdn.microsoft.com]
Joseph |
SweetT
Jul 19, 2004
4:32 PM |
Brian,
I think this post might help with your question:
[HYPERLINK@openforums.preparingsons.com]
Welcome to the Forum! I'm Tim ( age14), a beginner in programming. I've tried out lots of different languages, but for school this year I'll be learning C# or VB. I'm sure a lot of programmers on the forum will recommend PHP as a web language...They can explain more than I can :-)
Well, I hope the link helps!
Tim--Sweet T(ea) |
M36Teen
Jul 19, 2004
6:31 PM |
If you plan on building websites, I would say that you need to learn HTML, JavaScript, CSS and at least one programming language such as ASP, PHP, JSP or CFML. Just a quick rundown of a few of these...
CSS is used to modify everything visual on the page.
PHP is somewhat similar to ASP, but open source. This is what I use, mostly because it was the only thing I could learn on my own computer. (wamp: Windows, Apache, MySQL, PHP :-) Also, version 5 has just been released with some really neat features!
I don't know much about JSP, but someone else here might.
CFML is from Macromedia (the same people who make Dreamweaver and Flash), and is said to be great for people who are used to HTML. However, in my experience, it has been slow. On both my own server, and on sites such as [HYPERLINK@www.macromedia.com] and [HYPERLINK@www.globalexpeditions.com.]
By the way, welcome to the forums! I'm 16 and have been experimenting with computer programming for the last 4-55 years. I am working on learning PHP, CSS, JavaScript and ActionScript (the Macromedia Flash scripting language) right now, and will be glad to help you in any way I can with those!
Jake
P.S. I won't be on here much for the next few weeks, because this Sunday, I leave on a mission trip to Monterrey, Mexico! It's a two week trip with Global Expeditions. See ya (er, type to ya ;-) when I get back! |
M36Teen
Jul 19, 2004
9:13 PM |
OOPS!!! 4-5 years, NOT "4-55 years!"
Jake |
Tex
Jul 19, 2004
11:31 PM |
ASP vs. PHP is probably the one subject debated the most around here (though I guess technically it's never been debated, but you'll definitely see a wide range of opinions). Here's an interesting article I found comparing PHP v4 & the new v5 with ASP.NET. The author does favor php, but I think he does a good job presenting the facts for both sides. [HYPERLINK@otn.oracle.com]
Oh, and JSP, that M36Teen mentioned is Java Server Pages. Instead of your webserver passing code off to php or asp to parse and add dynamic content, it hands it off to Java to parse and do any actions required for the dynamic portions. I've seen people accomplish some nice things with JSP, but I still like to stay away from it. :-) Plus, it seems to be quite a bit harder to get working.
HTH,
Jacob |
ae6gn
Jul 20, 2004
3:36 AM |
J_Maxwell
I have already been programming in Visual Basic 6 for about a year, so I think that I will contuinue with that, only upgrading to the .net version, I have already ordered Visual Studio .net Pro. but while I am waiting to get it I am using the beta 2005 version(they are free but I found that they are time limited). And for other languages I am thinking about either Visual C# .net, Visual C++.net or Java. I also run Linux RedHat 9.0 so for a third language I am trying to deside between Perl and Python.
M36Teen
I have designed several websites already, and learning CSS and PHP are on my list. I am working on seting up a Apache web server on my Linux computer, is there some one here who has done that and can answer a cople questions about geting it to work(I have it installed, I just can't view the web pages from other computers on the network).
Have a nice trip to Mexico.
We live in Yuma, AZ and are about 15 miles from the border.
Brian |
J_Maxwell
Jul 20, 2004
9:49 AM |
Brian,
"dave" on this board would be able to tell you what is the best linux programming language (and, for that matter, probably anything about linux itself :) - he's really good at that.
Regarding the Visual Studio, I would recommend that you download the beta for the Express line of products (almost a tuned-down, version of Visual Studio .NET, except it's free), to start to get a feel for .NET. I have the C# beta (express) and absolutely love it! The Express line, from what I've seen, has no limitations on distrobution, or selling - I haven't seen anything in license agreements stating that you cannot build commercial apps.
Joseph |
Tex
Jul 20, 2004
10:09 AM |
Hello Brian,
There are several of us here that run Linux. I use Debian, but I think some of the others run Redhat. Feel free to ask your questions about Apache. (Though, it may be easiest to keep the different topics straight if you start a new thread about the Apache questions.)
Blessings!
Jacob |
M36Teen
Jul 20, 2004
10:48 AM |
Joseph
Thanks for the link! I downloaded the "Visual C++ 2005 Express Edition Beta" (that's a mouth full!), and it is pretty cool. One thing though, does it come with a compiler that I'm missing? Or do I have to use my other program for that?
Jacob
Thanks, I thought it was Java, but wasn't sure. I don't really care for Java myself, so like you, I think I'll just stay away from it! :-)
Brian
Sorry, Linux is out of my league, but I'm pretty sure some of these other guys have done it before.
Jake |
J_Maxwell
Jul 20, 2004
11:13 AM |
Jake,
Interesting... I only downloaded the C# edition (I really don't prefer C++), and everything compiled great. Try downloading the C# edition - that one I know has the compiler.
Joseph |
dave
Jul 20, 2004
11:39 AM |
Brian,
I use Fedora Core on most of my boxes. Perl is an excellent language but PHP is on par with it and is a cleaner and more pleasurable language. Also, PHP is used more than Perl, so PHP has better opportunities. I recommend learning PHP.
I don't like Python but many people do. I've heard a lot of good things about it. Give PHP a try!
best,
dave |
M36Teen
Jul 20, 2004
1:08 PM |
Joseph
I don't know anything about C#, will C++ code compile on a C# compiler?
Jake |
ae6gn
Jul 20, 2004
3:04 PM |
Dave
I will remember that, I thought PHP was only a web language (I guess I should have looked at that a little closer).
Brian |
J_Maxwell
Jul 20, 2004
3:18 PM |
Jake,
Forgive me for confusing you regarding this. No, C++ code won't compile in C#. I was suggesting that you try C# out - to see if you like the language.
Joseph |
dave
Jul 20, 2004
3:40 PM |
Brian,
PHP is an excellent scripting language on the CLI (command line interface). Almost ALL of my sysadmin scripts are written in PHP, rather than perl or shell. Almost anything I want done can be done fast and beautifully with PHP, and I get the benefit of including my webscript include files to increase my functionality on the shell.
It's great!
dave |
M36Teen
Jul 20, 2004
7:02 PM |
Joseph
Ooooooh! lol Yeah, I'll try it! :-) Any Fav. online tutorials for C#? I'm going to go look on [HYPERLINK@msdn.microsoft.com]
Jake |
J_Maxwell
Jul 20, 2004
7:32 PM |
Jake,
Great! Regarding websites/articles, there's probably hundreds. However, here is a list of my favorites:
[HYPERLINK@www.c-sharpcorner.com]
[HYPERLINK@www.windowsforms.net]
[HYPERLINK@www.gotdotnet.com] - a really good website
I can't think of any others. However, I'm sure that more will come to mind.
Joseph |
ae6gn
Jul 21, 2004
1:40 AM |
Thanks everyone for the info, I have been looking at the different languages a little more and I think I will go with C#.net, PHP, and continue with VB.net.
Brian |
James
Nov 13, 2006
5:26 PM |
I would suggest Ruby for programming scripts. It's a completely object-oriented scripting language (i.e. you can write -1.abs) that is gaining a lot of recognition for it's clear code and very powerful syntax. Ruby is available as a free download for both Windows and Linux at [HYPERLINK@www.ruby-lang.org.] PHP would be the second best language, with Perl taking third (I don't like Python). As for Linux distros, I prefer Ubuntu or Kubuntu (the KDE version of Ubuntu). It is the most popular, and I use the server edition to run my own Apache, MySQL, PHP, Ruby, and Perl webserver. |
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